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magicshoppe Featured By Owner Edited Jul 23, 2017
I had no idea these things have been kicking around for 7+ years....

You should collect these into some e-text format and put them up for sale on Amazon, etc. Obviously they would need another pass of editing. But they are certainly good enough.
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dkfenger Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2017
Yeah, this was my first 'big' story I tried to tell.  Committing to a chapter a month really helped me get my writing volume rising...

I've been meaning to learn how to turn this stuff into ebooks, but finding the time has been an issue.  These stories in particular, I'm... skittish about selling.  I started writing them as therapy of sorts, and they're more than a little personal.  More Moonstone than the others, but...
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magicshoppe Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2017
Writing should be personal. That's what makes it good. "Write what you know." doesn't mean write things you've studied. It means write things that are a part of you.

Time, can't help you there. Selling... It's already on the Internet and you know there are at least a few other people who enjoy it. The main work is mostly done. And you did not need to get paid to do it the first time. So any dribs or drabs or torrents (who knows) of cash that they make is just a bonus. And if no one buys it? You don't bother editing the second story. No big deal.
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dkfenger Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2017
Moonstone is by far the most "write what you know" story I've done.

While I'd like to make ebooks of these stories, they may only end up as downloadables on DA.  The others, I'd consider selling on Amazon.  I'm just far from convinced I'd make enough to make it worth my time to do so... and not entirely convinced I want to start looking at writing as an income source.  It seems likely to become a lot less fun when money gets involved.  "I spent 100 hours writing that, another 20 hours on the rewrite, and 5 hours prepping it for ebook... and I've made $10 on it.  Whee.  I think I'm making more per hour playing World of Warcraft..."
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magicshoppe Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2017
I write. I'm nowhere near as prolific and nowhere near as willing to put up first drafts as you are. But when I finally have something of sufficient length ready to release, I would make it ready on Amazon (and elsewhere) if only to give more people the chance to stumble over it. But I would not care about the money. Writing is my own reward. Polishing a final draft is my own reward. YMMV. But that's where I'm coming from. I would never suggest putting stuff on Amazon with the thought that you could earn a living like that as that would probably ruin the writing process.

Why else does someone like Stephen King release some books under a pseudonym? I sometimes guess it's not just because the stories are different than the pigeon hole ("horror novelist") he's in. I bet it also allows him to see if the story is good independent of his brand. It makes writing fun again.

In our other thread on the inconsistency of Sidney, you point out that your stories are worth what I've paid for them. Well, even free on the Internet fiction has a price. Your readers pay for them with their time. And serialized stories also have head storage costs. (Mooncalled 15... what happened in 14? Oh yeah, blah blah blah) There's no return to the author, of course, but my point is people do invest in your stories whether they pay actual dollars for them. Not sure if this supports my point above or not but I'll leave it here anyway. :)
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dkfenger Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2017
That sounds like me, about 5-6 years ago.  Putting 'first drafts' out there has been good to me - I've learned a lot about how to keep writing even when I don't much feel like it, and I've had a lot of wonderful discussions with people who've read and enjoyed my work.  I'd rather put stuff up where there's a decent comment system, the reward I get in feedback, ideas, and pointers to other art I like has been worth more than whatever pittance my work might have brought in from Amazon.

I've got several stories I would like to polish and put online - I think it'd be fun to get some Trust Machines anthologies out there, and turn some of my short serials in the setting into novellas if not outright novels.

It's funny you should mention Steven King in particular.  There was one story he swore he'd never sell, because it hit a little too close to home.  He did sell it in the end, but I kind of feel that the Moon* stories are that for me.

I know, it's a poor point and I was making light of it.  Reader investment is huge, it's what keeps people coming back and commenting, which helps feed the part of me that makes all this writing possible.

I don't really know how to 'fix' Sidney.  I'd like to smooth out her trajectory a little, but it *has* been a very bumpy ride for her - I see her not so much as inconsistent as vigorously reactive.  These latest events aren't going to make her path any smoother...
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magicshoppe Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2017
My problem is I don't like missed opportunities. I have a couple long form works in progress where when I was writing chapter 19 I was struck by such a great idea, I had to rejuggle chapter 3 to make it work. And I did. So serial release is just crazy for me. I'll have the idea and regret releasing the prior chapter. Silly, I know. It's a bad habit but there are worse bad habits. :)

I do have a trust machine story I'm polishing. It keeps getting longer and I need to cut it off and call the growing part of it a sequel. (not a serialization).

Maybe I'm looking for that decent comment system. I kind of had in mind roping in followers on dA using my manips so get an audience for stories. :)
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dkfenger Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2017
I've heard others complain about that, but I haven't found the 'want to go back and fix chapter 3' thing to be a problem.  Some of that is that I'm willing to follow where the story leads.  Some is that I'm willing to accept a degree of meandering as just 'how things work out'... most of the meandering tends to be doing fun stuff that my fans like anyway.  Like spending too much time lingering over events at the Blue Vixen.

That is something I have trouble with at times - how to end a story or 'part' of a story well.  Sometimes it comes to me, and sometimes I just flail about at the 'end' without anything really working right.

Posting manips here with story fragments could get people to follow off to wherever you end up posting the full stories.  Worth a try, certainly.
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Lebos-collection Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2016
Holy hell, these stories are fantastic!
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dkfenger Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2016
Thanks!  I've put a lot into them.
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